NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – Forum

NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – Forum

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:12 Reply with quote

If it was Jamieson Price’s decision to walk away from that role, then I won’t criticize him, but doing it because he’s white and not voicing the character that separates Mexican and Japanese makes no sense. Ichigo, Rukia, Uryu are Japanese so VIZ should cast a Japanese person who can speak English to voice them since the current ones aren’t Japanese? This whole vigilante culture and not insulting different cultures or not voicing a non-white character when you’re white is stupid.

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Sirsum rice

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:18 Reply with quote

oh my god, this is so stupid it’s hard to put into words. guys 1/4 mexican so he needs a hispanic huh? but all the asian characters are allowed to be voted off by anyone because they are not of color?

I actually agree that bringing more diverse talent to the fore in voice acting is a good idea, but with anime dubbing it’s really stupid.

The weird erasure of Asian people in the voice acting diversity argument really pisses me off like with the samurai jack guy who was at the forefront of it all a while back.

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From Ken

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:22 Reply with quote

Talent should not need color as a determining factor. Period. And for starters, they’re all Asian. So you’re telling me that all non-Asians should do the same? Gosh. Even if it was a personal decision, there’s not much to say.

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flame master elan

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:28 Reply with quote

Tachibana wrote:

If it was Jamieson Price’s decision to walk away from that role, then I won’t criticize him, but doing it because he’s white and not voicing the character that separates Mexican and Japanese makes no sense. Ichigo, Rukia, Uryu are Japanese so VIZ should cast a Japanese person who can speak English to voice them since the current ones aren’t Japanese?

Yeah, I can’t believe Jamieson Price attacked Johnny Yong Bosch and the rest of the cast of Bleach for taking this job. For a POS… Wait. Didn’t he? Are you just putting words in his mouth?

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This whole vigilante culture and not insulting different cultures or not voicing a non-white character when you’re white is stupid.

He is a skilled actor. He decided that he could lose this one role that he believes should go to a minority instead of himself. It is not “awake culture”. It’s a guy who realizes that there are a lot of black and brown actors out there struggling to get roles in the industry, and that he doesn’t have to take that spot.

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:39 Reply with quote
I have no problem with Jamieson Price no longer voicing Chad. However, his reasoning for doing so is incredibly stupid and deserves criticism. This whole nonsense about the voice actor needing to match the character’s race is stupid could lead to a serious problem. For example, I didn’t care that Kim Cambell wasn’t Asian, I just thought she was great voicing Nagatoro.

I really wish this bizarre rut of wanting voice actors to match the character’s race would just end. It’s just so stupid.


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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:40 Reply with quote
Hmm it looks like Sankaku is leaking on to ANN.

If the original VO is ok with it, I’m ok with it too. I personally would rather be “awake” then “dead”.


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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:41 Reply with quote
A definitive case of a non-white person voicing a white character is James Earl Jones and Vader.

JP has the right to do so. But if we use this logic, all non-white VAs should stop voicing all white characters. Just because a lot of the voice acting roles go to White VA, it’s lazy to go Shounen Jump Weekly or similar and do this now. White and non-white characters can and should be voiced by white and non-white VAs or at least given the chance to audition.


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Nonaka machine gun B

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:41 Reply with quote
I respect the actor’s decision even if I don’t necessarily agree. It’s nice to know he was sought out at least.

I kind of can’t believe they waited this long to formally announce the dub was coming (scouts had found the Hulu press release). I thought Viz was going to announce just about every recurring role in the same way as the massive Japanese cast, but I guess that was massive wishful thinking. As of now, unconfirmed character votes for episode 1 are:

Akon

Mayuri

Zenno week

Ryunosuke (new)

Shino (new)

Ikkaku

Yumichika

Yamamoto

Sasakibe

Ebern (new)

Luuders (new)

Yhwach spoiler[(new..?)]


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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 21:48 Reply with quote

coates32 wrote:
I have no problem with Jamieson Price no longer voicing Chad. However, his reasoning for doing so is incredibly stupid and deserves criticism. This whole nonsense about the voice actor needing to match the character’s race is stupid could lead to a serious problem. For example, I didn’t care that Kim Cambell wasn’t Asian, I just thought she was great voicing Nagatoro.

I really wish this bizarre rut of wanting voice actors to match the character’s race would just end. It’s just so stupid.

Voice acting is arguably the most versatile type of acting because one can play roles that would otherwise be Whitewashing, Blackwashing, Asian-washing, Hispanic-washing, straight-washing, LGBT-washing, etc. on stage/on-camera.

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Ultimate N

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 22:06 Reply with quote

While I respect Price’s intent, I personally have to disagree with this decision. I understand the reasoning. Granted, it’s a bit easier given that Chad was already played by another person before Price recast him, but considering he played Chad for 280 episodes plus all the movies that starred him, it’s pretty clear that for many fans he became the definitive voice of the character. I’ll also acknowledge that while Chad is mainly Japanese, his Mexican decent is the most up front, all of his attacks are Spanish, so as much as I’d say his race isn’t an integral part of his character (and I would argue that to a point) I can’t deny that it’s relevant to his aesthetic, so a Latin American actor makes sense. However, the reason I ultimately disagree with this decision is that I just don’t think that actors taking other actors’ roles is the solution to casting discrimination. Alain Mesa is most likely a good actor (I’m not aware of any of their work that I’ve seen, but I’m willing to believe it) and I think he should have been recast for Blood War, there. re dozens of new characters introduced in this arc and some recurring characters that will likely need to be remade due to potential retirements. Alain should have been cast in some of the new roles because now instead of being a popular up and coming new actor, he will now be the guy who stole a popular character’s role from another actor who had defined the role for a decade because he same race. I know a lot of people won’t look at it that way, but a lot will and it’s all unnecessary and could have been avoided. I don’t want to start a conflict, but I am convinced that if Jameson Price had returned for the character, there would be less of an argument about it now than there is now. Jameson Price did a noble thing, but I’m convinced he upset more people who waited 8 years for his return than those who wished Chad had been played by a Hispanic actor, despite the fact that he probably has with it for 366 episodes.

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Los Nido

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 22:16 Reply with quote

Tachibana wrote:

If it was Jamieson Price’s decision to walk away from that role, then I won’t criticize him, but doing it because he’s white and not voicing the character that separates Mexican and Japanese makes no sense. Ichigo, Rukia, Uryu are Japanese so VIZ should cast a Japanese person who can speak English to voice them since the current ones aren’t Japanese?

Asians aren’t generally considered POCs anymore in America, so there isn’t much of a stigma for Asian characters to be played by non-Asian actors. People also generally use the term BIPOC now to specify non-white transient minorities.


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Ultimate N

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NEWS: Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War Anime’s Dub Casts Alain Mesa as Chad – ForumPosted: Thu Nov 3 2022 22:19 Reply with quote
[quote=flamemasterelan] is a skilled actor. He decided that he could lose this one role that he believes should go to a minority instead of himself. It is not “awake culture”. It’s a guy who realizes that there are a lot of black and brown actors out there struggling to get roles in the industry, and that he doesn’t have to take that spot.[/quote]

Although not untrue, this “one role” is arguably one of his biggest and longest standing. He may not have voiced Chad initially, but he did for more than half of the franchise, and by the end of the anime he had cemented himself as the character’s voice. Disappointing all the fans who waited 8 years for his return is arguably even worse than this. The only people this really positively affects objectively are some aspiring Hispanic voice actors, anyone else really shouldn’t have cared in my opinion because that’s all this cast is really saying. Sure it’s good that aspiring Hispanic voice actors know they can get work, but does that really outweigh the sadness longtime Bleach fans have to go through now after once again waiting 8 years for something that could have happened and should have happened but now didn’t win for a minimal reason?


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